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		<title>By: Julie Penner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Penner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see DIY as the only option between an ever-widening gap between doing nothing and hiring expensive legal services.  Furthermore, there are some legal documents that are more accessible to non-lawyers than others.  Why not make the tools to create and use &quot;vanilla&quot; docs even easier?  Model docs are a start, but companies need an operating manual or a &quot;nutshell&quot; for how to use them.  Why there aren&#039;t more resources out there demystifying common legal startup docs is beyond me.  Unfortunately, those most qualified to educate, the transactional attorneys, are the ones with incentives to perpetuate the status quo.  The legal community could do a lot of good (and repair some reputational damage) by facilitating more legal education in their communities.  The crash course series, specifically the legal ones, are an example of what I think startup lawyers could do a lot more of: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.silicon-flatirons.org/events.php?id=workshop.&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.silicon-flatirons.org/events.php?id=wo...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see DIY as the only option between an ever-widening gap between doing nothing and hiring expensive legal services.  Furthermore, there are some legal documents that are more accessible to non-lawyers than others.  Why not make the tools to create and use &quot;vanilla&quot; docs even easier?  Model docs are a start, but companies need an operating manual or a &quot;nutshell&quot; for how to use them.  Why there aren&#039;t more resources out there demystifying common legal startup docs is beyond me.  Unfortunately, those most qualified to educate, the transactional attorneys, are the ones with incentives to perpetuate the status quo.  The legal community could do a lot of good (and repair some reputational damage) by facilitating more legal education in their communities.  The crash course series, specifically the legal ones, are an example of what I think startup lawyers could do a lot more of: <a href="http://www.silicon-flatirons.org/events.php?id=workshop." target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.silicon-flatirons.org/events.php?id=wo.." rel="nofollow">http://www.silicon-flatirons.org/events.php?id=wo..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Law Firm 2.0 &#8211; The End (for now) and Recap and Downloading the Entire Series. &#124; Mendelson's Musings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Law Firm 2.0 &#8211; The End (for now) and Recap and Downloading the Entire Series. &#124; Mendelson's Musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out Rimon Law Group at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rimonlaw.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.rimonlaw.com&lt;/a&gt; - they take advantage of both outsourcing and the virtual law firm model. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Rimon Law Group at <a href="http://www.rimonlaw.com" target="_blank">http://www.rimonlaw.com</a> &#8211; they take advantage of both outsourcing and the virtual law firm model.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Mark Anderman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Mark Anderman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the best opportunity for starting a firm of this type would be to concentrate on outsourcing corporate legal departments.  Right now, to my knowledge, there is no legal services outsourcing company that effectively combines systematic knowledge management, document creation/management automation, and process improvement.  This combination would allow the company to have predictable costs, which would also mean it could dispense with the billable hour and charge fixed fees that will be attractive for CFOs&#039; budgets.  The company could hire attorneys that have excellent experience but want work/life balance, and pay them in the low six figures to work from home (or pay even less by using Central/South American attorneys, who operate in U.S. time zones, and may have sufficient expertise and English proficiency).  Guarantee them a 9-5 schedule in return for the reduced salary.   
 
On the customer side, you have a great sales pitch.  Right now, Fortune 1000 companies have way too many in-house attorneys who provide work product of inconsistent quality, are referred to internally as the &quot;sales prevention department&quot; (or &quot;where deals go to die&quot;) due to their lack of focus on sales and procurement needs, are often ignorant and dismissive of cutting edge corporate methods such as process improvement and knowledge management, and strenuously resist strategic sourcing methods to reduce outside counsel fees.  In my experience, each in-house attorney costs at least $250K per year (when you factor in benefits, support staff and overhead).  This means that even after paying labor and returning a significant per lawyer profit, the company could still offer pricing at a significant savings over maintaining a large in-house department. 
 
So the competitive advantage would be higher quality work, at a much lower price, with higher budget certainty.  The company could also take over many outside counsel billables charged using the unpredictable hourly rate.  It would be hard to argue that a large in-house legal department could do better work, as a cost center, than a for-profit company such as this one, which is completely focused on providing better service while driving down cost through radical productivity improvements (which most law firms/legal outsourcing/legal staffing companies do not do).  General counsels and legal departments will strenuously resist this, so the goal would be to sell to the CFOs, finance professionals, and procurement managers who are dying to get their hands on legal services, one of the last few areas in corporate America today that has avoided strategic sourcing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the best opportunity for starting a firm of this type would be to concentrate on outsourcing corporate legal departments.  Right now, to my knowledge, there is no legal services outsourcing company that effectively combines systematic knowledge management, document creation/management automation, and process improvement.  This combination would allow the company to have predictable costs, which would also mean it could dispense with the billable hour and charge fixed fees that will be attractive for CFOs&#039; budgets.  The company could hire attorneys that have excellent experience but want work/life balance, and pay them in the low six figures to work from home (or pay even less by using Central/South American attorneys, who operate in U.S. time zones, and may have sufficient expertise and English proficiency).  Guarantee them a 9-5 schedule in return for the reduced salary.   </p>
<p>On the customer side, you have a great sales pitch.  Right now, Fortune 1000 companies have way too many in-house attorneys who provide work product of inconsistent quality, are referred to internally as the &quot;sales prevention department&quot; (or &quot;where deals go to die&quot;) due to their lack of focus on sales and procurement needs, are often ignorant and dismissive of cutting edge corporate methods such as process improvement and knowledge management, and strenuously resist strategic sourcing methods to reduce outside counsel fees.  In my experience, each in-house attorney costs at least $250K per year (when you factor in benefits, support staff and overhead).  This means that even after paying labor and returning a significant per lawyer profit, the company could still offer pricing at a significant savings over maintaining a large in-house department. </p>
<p>So the competitive advantage would be higher quality work, at a much lower price, with higher budget certainty.  The company could also take over many outside counsel billables charged using the unpredictable hourly rate.  It would be hard to argue that a large in-house legal department could do better work, as a cost center, than a for-profit company such as this one, which is completely focused on providing better service while driving down cost through radical productivity improvements (which most law firms/legal outsourcing/legal staffing companies do not do).  General counsels and legal departments will strenuously resist this, so the goal would be to sell to the CFOs, finance professionals, and procurement managers who are dying to get their hands on legal services, one of the last few areas in corporate America today that has avoided strategic sourcing.</p>
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		<title>By: Saul Lieberman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saul Lieberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outsourcing is already &quot;here&quot; in Israel.  
US expatriate lawyers, educated and trained in the US, provide first line legal services to US clients.  In some cases, the lawyers maintain a  relationship with their former US law firms. (Disclosure: I am a corporate and technology lawyer based in Jerusalem and work with  US startups and investors.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outsourcing is already &quot;here&quot; in Israel.<br />
US expatriate lawyers, educated and trained in the US, provide first line legal services to US clients.  In some cases, the lawyers maintain a  relationship with their former US law firms. (Disclosure: I am a corporate and technology lawyer based in Jerusalem and work with  US startups and investors.)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems just as likely there will be fewer large law firms. I&#039;m not sure most large law firms can rework their business models and, more importantly, their thinking.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems just as likely there will be fewer large law firms. I&#039;m not sure most large law firms can rework their business models and, more importantly, their thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Mendelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Mendelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also agree.  I don’t think it has to be a large firm, rather I’m  hypothesizing that if large law firms are to survive, they are going to have to  move to Law Firm 2.0. &lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also agree.  I don’t think it has to be a large firm, rather I’m  hypothesizing that if large law firms are to survive, they are going to have to  move to Law Firm 2.0. </p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hit post without the last sentences...so I&#039;ll reply to myself. It seems possible to me that Law Firm 2.0 may be like an evolution of the current world.  An increasingly bifurcated world with big, big, highly profitable firms focused on large, expensive litigation and transactions, and small firms or solos focused on specialty areas or cost-sensitive work.  Certainly there seems to be room for firms like VLP to leverage a virtual infrastructure and maybe that is what replaces mid-sized firms.   There is no reason why Law Firm 2.0 has to be a large firm. It seems more suited to smaller firms/solos that leverage technology to build a strong reputation and carve-out a niche space, similar to what many Web 2.0 content providers have done. But your bet the company litigation or M&amp;A transaction are not going to go to small firms, unless they are niche firms with great reputations. 
 
Having large firms build a huge network of offshore resources like the&quot;budget line&quot; for commodity work suggested above seems to be unworkable since it is inconsistent with the premium services law firms are offering--particularly as they get rid of or de-emphasize non-premium services.  It is quite difficult to maintain a premium brand and a commodity brand in the same firm at the same time.  Conflict rules also seem to lend themselves to smaller firms/solos. For day-to-day work, a conflict check that takes a few minutes not a week is kind of important. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hit post without the last sentences&#8230;so I&#039;ll reply to myself. It seems possible to me that Law Firm 2.0 may be like an evolution of the current world.  An increasingly bifurcated world with big, big, highly profitable firms focused on large, expensive litigation and transactions, and small firms or solos focused on specialty areas or cost-sensitive work.  Certainly there seems to be room for firms like VLP to leverage a virtual infrastructure and maybe that is what replaces mid-sized firms.   There is no reason why Law Firm 2.0 has to be a large firm. It seems more suited to smaller firms/solos that leverage technology to build a strong reputation and carve-out a niche space, similar to what many Web 2.0 content providers have done. But your bet the company litigation or M&amp;A transaction are not going to go to small firms, unless they are niche firms with great reputations. </p>
<p>Having large firms build a huge network of offshore resources like the&quot;budget line&quot; for commodity work suggested above seems to be unworkable since it is inconsistent with the premium services law firms are offering&#8211;particularly as they get rid of or de-emphasize non-premium services.  It is quite difficult to maintain a premium brand and a commodity brand in the same firm at the same time.  Conflict rules also seem to lend themselves to smaller firms/solos. For day-to-day work, a conflict check that takes a few minutes not a week is kind of important.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Mendelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Mendelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree.  My earlier posts on Law Firm 2.0 talked about  how clients have outsourced on their own.  The fracturing of the law firm / client  relationship started happening a few years ago and is only accelerating due to  current economic realities.  I find it very interesting how many large  companies have moved to smaller firms.  In the past this would have never  happened.&lt;br /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree.  My earlier posts on Law Firm 2.0 talked about  how clients have outsourced on their own.  The fracturing of the law firm / client  relationship started happening a few years ago and is only accelerating due to  current economic realities.  I find it very interesting how many large  companies have moved to smaller firms.  In the past this would have never  happened.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason--I think the market may already be where you are suggesting, but it is the clients choosing to re-allocate work and law firms refusing to do certain work or pricing themselves out of the market. Few companies that I know of still have only one law firm relationship, and no company with an in-house counsel that I know of uses only one firm. The fee disparities have become too large, and conflicts too prevalent, to allow use of a one size fits all strategy for firms.  Over the past few years many large firms have moved up-market and only want high margin work, although now they may have some more flexibility given the down market it is hard for them to turn certain practices (i.e., IP transactions, labor, etc.). 
 
Here in Seattle, Microsoft and Amazon started to use smaller firm and solo lawyers for IP transactions work (in many cases seemingly leading to the breakup of IP transactions groups at larger firms particularly when combined with rate pressures), and the trend has carried over to mid-sized and smaller companies. There is a robust community of good quality lawyers at smaller firms or solos.  Cisco is using firms all over the country, particularly for patent prosecution and similar work.  My company uses law firms quite literally all over the country--Seattle, Silicon Valley, LA, NY, Maine and almost everywhere in between.  We find the right lawyer, with the right skills, at the right rate to meet the need.  
 
Outsourcing legal work is harder for small and mid-sized companies to manage, because it is too episodic.  Maybe law firms can pull it off, but right now most seem to back into it via contract attorneys for litigation document review and similar projects. Not offshoring but potentially a precusor. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason&#8211;I think the market may already be where you are suggesting, but it is the clients choosing to re-allocate work and law firms refusing to do certain work or pricing themselves out of the market. Few companies that I know of still have only one law firm relationship, and no company with an in-house counsel that I know of uses only one firm. The fee disparities have become too large, and conflicts too prevalent, to allow use of a one size fits all strategy for firms.  Over the past few years many large firms have moved up-market and only want high margin work, although now they may have some more flexibility given the down market it is hard for them to turn certain practices (i.e., IP transactions, labor, etc.). </p>
<p>Here in Seattle, Microsoft and Amazon started to use smaller firm and solo lawyers for IP transactions work (in many cases seemingly leading to the breakup of IP transactions groups at larger firms particularly when combined with rate pressures), and the trend has carried over to mid-sized and smaller companies. There is a robust community of good quality lawyers at smaller firms or solos.  Cisco is using firms all over the country, particularly for patent prosecution and similar work.  My company uses law firms quite literally all over the country&#8211;Seattle, Silicon Valley, LA, NY, Maine and almost everywhere in between.  We find the right lawyer, with the right skills, at the right rate to meet the need.  </p>
<p>Outsourcing legal work is harder for small and mid-sized companies to manage, because it is too episodic.  Maybe law firms can pull it off, but right now most seem to back into it via contract attorneys for litigation document review and similar projects. Not offshoring but potentially a precusor.</p>
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